Pedestrian Crossing, Nuriootpa

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Pedestrian crossing

A pedestrian crossing in Nuriootpa, to improve safety

FUNDED PROJECT

240 votes received

Project details

Suggested by Paul

Sponsored by DPTI

Budget

$70,000.00

Nuriootpa has seen many changes in the last few years, including The Co-op's opening of the new Barossa Mall. In the next few months we will see larger retailers move into the Mall, creating more foot and vehicle traffic. The northern end of the mall opens out to Gawler St, and across the road lies additional retail stores. Everyday there are multiple people running across Gawler St to attend one store or another, and I have seen many near misses occur. I believe a pedestrian crossing here would greatly benefit the community by improving safety, and potentially saving a life.

FUNDED PROJECT

240 votes received

Project details

Suggested by Paul

Sponsored by DPTI

Budget

$70,000.00

Comments

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Shirley Nash

17 Nov 2017

Phylip and myself are concerned about crossing Gawler St near the shopping complex,we realise having another set of lights so close to the Murray St corner may cause more congestion but something needs to be done.Should lights not be approved at least a pedestrian crossing similar to the one in Angaston where you can cross half way at a time would be better than the situation now.

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Shirley Nash

20 Nov 2017

Hi Shirley,
Thanks for your comment and support. Please encourage your friends and family to vote for this idea. We don't have clarity as yet from DPTI about the final solution and road treatment. If our idea is successful I would imagine we will then find out what they have in mind to address this issue.
Thanks again for your support and I'm sure many others in our community wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments.

Project Owner

Paul Amos

06 Nov 2017

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all of your support and interest in this project. It’s clear that as a community we have a number of really valid views on this and it’s excellent that Fund My Neighbourhood gives us all an opportunity to express our opinions.

Further to my comment to Joanne Nash and Jim Ireland, I made phone contact today with the Fund My Neighbourhood team, asking them about whether a plan was available from DPTI, if an exact location has been determined and what sort of treatment they propose to the road area.

Pleasingly, they were prompt with their follow up to DPTI and gave me a call back this afternoon. Unfortunately at this stage they can’t provide any further concrete information. DPTI made an early assessment of the type of road treatment that could be possible to resolve our community’s safety concerns before confirming the idea as possible (and hence we are able to vote for it). They have told me that DPTI won’t make a final decision on any solution until they undertake further studies and assessment of the area, traffic flows and situation. This of course is all dependent on the idea being successful and funded!

So ... keep your votes happening and we will then have the best chance of having something happen to improve the safety on this road. Please tell your friends and family and ask them to vote for this idea along with another 2-4 other ideas. There are such a good number of ideas available to vote for and now is the chance to have your say! Thanks again everyone.

Leanne Chapman

06 Nov 2017

I think the pedestrian crossing will cause a secondary problem - that being traffic congestion at the Gawler/Murray Street lights and back down Gawler street as well. I think the only way to make the pedestrian traffic safer is by taking away the car traffic. To do that i think there needs to be another exit out of the foodland car park - after all there is only one exiting point at this stage if you don't include the post office car park. i think there needs to be an exit out of the back of the old foodland store - so that it comes out onto Barossa Street and then traffic moves out onto Gawler street from there or ideally the council should be looking at turning traffic left onto Kaesler drive and then linking it onto old mill road and back onto that roundabout. Speaking of roundabouts i think the exit out of the foodland carpark onto murray street should be a roundabout. There must be some way of making this into a roundabout - there are heaps of roundabouts in the suburbs around shopping centres in small back streets so there must be a way to do this here.

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Leanne Chapman

06 Nov 2017

Hi Leanne, great ideas, I love your lateral thinking!! I’m not sure how the residents of Barossa Street and Kaesler Drive would feel about it. Even by reducing the traffic coming out of the carpark (near the post office) you still have a large amount of traffic flowing down Gawler Street which people regularly cross and put themselves at risk dodging the cars/trucks.

Roundabouts are interesting things. I remember hearing a number of people raising concern about the roundabouts at Seppeltsfield/Siegersdorf/Barossa Valley Way and Barossa Valley Way/Railway Terrace (near old Tolley Chimney). Now they are in place, I think most would agree that they have significantly improved the traffic flow in the area.

Thanks again for your comment and ideas.

Phillip Sawyer

05 Nov 2017

I think a zebra crossing at this location would be more appropriate.
I have lived in rural communities in Qld and they have worked well.

Jim Ireland > Phillip Sawyer

05 Nov 2017

Any crossing be it zebra crossing or traffic lighted pedestrian crossing is going to cause congestion at intersection only way really to relieve this as I can see is a raised crossing with gently sloping paths for mobility challenged people or another option is to close gawler street from entrance to northern car park and Murray street and make a big crossing and traffic from greenock can divert to come into main street via Vine Street and old Kapunda road

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Phillip Sawyer

06 Nov 2017

Hi Phillip, thanks for your comment and support. These things do work well and you would know from Qld that they are often close to other intersections. In recent times a new Zebra crossing has been installed in the Kapunda Main Street. I’d be interested to hear from Kapunda residents how that one is going?

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Paul Amos > Phillip Sawyer

06 Nov 2017

Hi Jim,
Thanks for commenting again, I appreciate your engagement with this project. I’m not sure if you saw, but I replied to your comment from 25 October below. I agree that a raised crossing would be great. The budget of $70,000 has been assigned by DPTI (the sponsoring State Government Department). I haven’t had any contact with them but I think it’s safe to assume that a budget of $70,000 won’t get us a raised crossing over the street. I have heard that Stephan Knoll (local member) has been talking to the State Government about improving traffic in Nuri and I believe the government has committed to do a Traffic Management Plan for the whole of Nuri. Your idea of closing part of Gawler St would make an amazing plaza and really help improve the meeting place that is Nuri. I don’t know what the plans are for this project (or the traffic management in general) but as I said on Joanne’s comment from 4 November, I’m happy to see what I can find out and report back to this page. Thanks again for your continued interest in this project.

Joanne Nash

04 Nov 2017

Are there any plans for this? If so, can they be viewed?

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Joanne Nash

06 Nov 2017

Hi Joanne,
No plans that I have seen. I submitted the idea and the Fund My Neighbourhood team have spoken with DPTI (the responsible State Government Department) before the idea was accepted for voting. I don’t have any other info further to this page at this stage. As Project Owner, I’m happy to see what I can find out and report back. I imagine at this early stage though, plans would not be available. Thanks for your comment and interest, I’ll report back as soon as I know more!

Anthony Semmler

26 Oct 2017

I agree that something needs to be done for pedestrian crossing but can you imagine the chaos with putting this just a few metres down the road from the traffic lights. It's only human nature to cross at the point of least distance rather than going up to the lights and back down again in a big 'U' shape, you won't change that behaviour. Overpass is not going to be practical for mobility challenged folk - stairs etc and underpass would be crazy expensive no doubt and impractical with space restrictions. I believe this is the Co-op's responsibility, they should be obliged to work with the Road's department, local government/council to design the best and safest traffic travel - pedestrian and car - around the whole site. The traffic on the roads surrounding and in the carpark is going to be a nightmare once it is fully tenanted, it is bad enough now. I understand that the old Foodland is going to be an undercover carpark which will reduce some of the parking congestion but traversing in and around the site is a challenge. The Co-op need to make it as easy as possible to ensure strong patronage. How many people head elsewhere for small shopping trips because of the difficulties with parking etc?

Jennifer Hoffmann > Anthony Semmler

28 Oct 2017

Totally agree. No doubt it will somewhat settle down eventually. But the traffic congestion on Greenock Rd is currently a nightmare. I love my community store but can't believe they have had permission to go ahead with all this without having to have alternative transport routes in place. Yes, the walking is difficult but it is the only safe way to cross the street by using the traffic lights.

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Anthony Semmler

02 Nov 2017

Hi Jennifer and Anthony, thanks for your comments. As the idea proponent, I really want to ensure we help improve our community's safety. As part of The Co-op development application, the Department of Planning Transport and Infrastructure didn't require a road crossing be put in place. The Co-op can't mandate one is put in place as it's a State Government road. Fund my Neighbourhood is the best way I have found to try to get this put in place to improve our community's safety. Your help is really appreciated and again thanks for commenting.

Bronte Parbs

26 Oct 2017

I agree with Bruce, as there is already a PEDESTRIAN CROSSING at the intersection of Murray & Gawler streets, about 50m from there, I say NO to any idea of this, & has anyone considered the traffic snarls this would produce over time... Also I believe the Co-op Store need to do something drastic about their parking very soon....

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Bronte Parbs

02 Nov 2017

Hi Bronte, thanks for your comments. It's a real shame that people don't walk the 50m up to the existing traffic lights to cross the road safely. Unfortunately people have been knocked over before crossing Gawler Street and I feel it's important we do something before another accident happens. You will be pleased to know that The Co-op's undercover carpark will be opening soon, as will the ring road that will allow traffic to go between the northern and southern car parks in The Co-op centre. I'm not sure if you are a member of The Co-op but if you are it would be great to have your vote. Thanks again for engaging and expressing your thoughts. It's one of the great parts of the Fund my Neighbourhood program.

Bruce Donaldson

26 Oct 2017

Or walk 50m up the road, and use the PEDESTRIAN CROSSING at the traffic lights. No money spent, crossing is already there and it's a bit of exercise for everyone.

Marg Kubisch > Bruce Donaldson

26 Oct 2017

If parked in mitre 10 carpark.... a walk up to the crossing... then to Foodland, shopping trolley full... back to the crossing...... mmmm an elderly person!!!

Jennifer Hoffmann > Bruce Donaldson

28 Oct 2017

Eventually there will be more parks both sides of the new building and it won't be necessary to park elsewhere. People just have to be sensible until all Stages have been completed.

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Bruce Donaldson

02 Nov 2017

Thanks Bruce, Marg and Jennifer. I agree with Bruce that it would be great for people to walk up to the existing pedestrian crossing at the traffic lights. Unfortunately people don't do this and everyday (including in my project photo) you see people cross the road and put themselves in danger. As Jennifer said there is already more parking becoming available in The Co-op's carparks and in the very near future, the undercover car park will open which will add more carparks on the Supermarket side of Gawler Street. This project is all about community safety and helping to prevent another accident before it happens. Thanks for engaging with Fund My Neighbourhood.

Marg Kubisch

25 Oct 2017

Co-op store have created the issue and should have included this in their budget. It should not be up to neighbourhood funding to resolve the issue of pedestrian crossings. Parking is also a nightmare? The northern carpark is continuously full, we can't even find a park to pick up mail from the PO. Co-op needs to resolve many issues to want us locals to shop here.

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Paul Amos > Marg Kubisch

02 Nov 2017

Hi Marg, thanks for your comments. I'm not sure if you are aware but to be able to do a development like this, The Co-op needed to go through an extensive planning and traffic survey process. This was then assessed by the Department of Planning Transport and Infrastructure as to what traffic treatments they require to approve the development. They didn't require a road crossing be put in place based on the outcomes of the traffic surveys. The Co-op can't mandate a pedestrian crossing is put in place as it's a State Government road. Fund my Neighbourhood is the best way I have found as a concerned community member to try to get this put in place to improve our community's safety. I'm not sure if you are a member of The Co-op but I do know we really need our members to support their Co-op to keep jobs local. After all, The Co-op's profits are all reinvested into the community via member rebates and support for local community and sporting groups. Your help is really appreciated.

Jim Ireland

25 Oct 2017

Excellent idea to install a raised pedestrian crossing which goes over top off Gawler street , that way it will not affect the traffic flow with the intersection being so close to where proposed crossing would be .

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Jim Ireland

02 Nov 2017

Hi Jim, thanks for your comment and idea. I think this would be great. The Fund my Neighbourhood team have worked with the Department of Planning Transport and Infrastructure to assign this project a budget. They have assigned $70,000. I don't think we will get a raised crossing over the top of Gawler Street for this budget as much as I would like there to be! Thanks again for your idea.

Teresa Gerlach

25 Oct 2017

This is exactly what we all need for the safety of everyone

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Paul Amos > Teresa Gerlach

02 Nov 2017

Thanks Teresa, appreciate your support and focus on our community's safety.

helen naughton

25 Oct 2017

hi it is helen naughton here i am a former nuriootpa resident i really do think a pedestrian would be excellent and close to the shops i am disabled i have always found it difficult to cross any part of murray street with the way the traffic speeds along it we only have 1 life so it is better to be safe than sorry

Project Owner

Paul Amos > helen naughton

02 Nov 2017

Thanks Helen, I agree. It is for these reasons that I thought to propose the project as part of Fund my Neighbourhood. I appreciate your support, please ask your friends and family to vote for this idea too!

Annie Auld

25 Oct 2017

For the safety and ease of us all, a safe pedestrian crossing would be a welcome improvement

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Annie Auld

02 Nov 2017

Thanks Annie, your support is appreciated.

Melanie Gore

24 Oct 2017

This would be extremely beneficial to the community and their safety.

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Melanie Gore

02 Nov 2017

Thanks Mel. It would be great to have this in place to improve the community safety in what is a busy part of Nuriootpa.

Margot King

24 Oct 2017

Excellent idea

Project Owner

Paul Amos > Margot King

02 Nov 2017

Thanks Margot, please vote for this idea if you can.